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    Phoenixia

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    Debate Topic Aluvean Seas Election #2

    Post  Phoenixia on Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:21 am

    To keep the RMB clean and to not keeping potential new nations away I create this topic for everyone who wants to say something about the political course of the other candidates.
    The ground rules:
    1. no personal attacks, keep on the facts and skip not to assumptions why this could be the way it is.
    2. give the others a time to respond, we are not in a cheap political talk after all
    3. should the need arise this can be continued

    I will put up a link on the rmb and I will repeat him in case he is itching from Page 1 I don't want to see any fights on the RMB, this is bad for your reputation but most importantly bad for the reputation of the Region, I hope you all agree with that.
    After that is out of my mind, the debate thread is open for anyone now.
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    Re: Debate Topic Aluvean Seas Election #2

    Post  Selinopolis on Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:28 am

    To quote Val's reelection speech:

    Over the time that I have served as your WA Delegate Have I ever failed you once?

    Well Val, you kind of did. You didn't do either of your constitutional duties to the region. The WA Delegate forum remains empty, not a single post, yet there have been numerous propositions go by, and you have not polled the region on how to vote. You did not successfully represent us in the WA, as per your job. In essence, you failed us in this respect.

    As for the second duty, you were supposed to be in charge of embassies. This job fell to Phoenixia and Brown. Granted, you don't have the power to finalize right now, but you could have brought this up before the Lord Duke and Founder. Surely they would not deny you your constitutional right. I do not even think you helped with negotiations for the embassies we had, which is your job as per Article 2.

    So if you failed us in the first term, why should we give you a second?
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    Valorono

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    Re: Debate Topic Aluvean Seas Election #2

    Post  Valorono on Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:05 am

    Selinopolis wrote:To quote Val's reelection speech:

    Over the time that I have served as your WA Delegate Have I ever failed you once?

    Well Val, you kind of did. You didn't do either of your constitutional duties to the region. The WA Delegate forum remains empty, not a single post, yet there have been numerous propositions go by, and you have not polled the region on how to vote. You did not successfully represent us in the WA, as per your job. In essence, you failed us in this respect.

    As for the second duty, you were supposed to be in charge of embassies. This job fell to Phoenixia and Brown. Granted, you don't have the power to finalize right now, but you could have brought this up before the Lord Duke and Founder. Surely they would not deny you your constitutional right. I do not even think you helped with negotiations for the embassies we had, which is your job as per Article 2.

    So if you failed us in the first term, why should we give you a second?

    Because over my time myself and the current lord duke along with brown have been focusing on the chat room and keeping it secure. So in that sense I have been pre-occupied with keeping it safe with The Lord Duke. As for the polls I will admit that I have not been posting those. But with good reason, I vote with the majority of the populace as so I keep the popular vote in mind. SO technically I did successfully vote for you in the WA. Not for the 1% but for the 99%. As for embassies you are correct I have no control over that as I was stripped from my administrative powers in order to protect from raiders. Also Why would you be a good WA Delegate. Out of any of those running You have the least experience in a government position. Also with negotiations you are quite wrong. I have discussed such things as embassies with other WA-Delegates and Founders to get us in the safe zone. I also negotiated with Molder after a fake me went into their chat and said that our region had declared war on them.
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    Re: Debate Topic Aluvean Seas Election #2

    Post  Selinopolis on Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:12 am

    But if you simply do that, the rest of us have no idea, and it raises some concerns. Subjectively, whenever I vote, I never see as WA Delegate vote cast. Now this may just be because I vote early before a lot of people do, but I know seeing there isn't a Delegate vote, I feel ignored.

    Now experience I lack, but I can listen to the people. Listening does not require a fancy degree, but rather the heart to follow the whim of the people, possibly against your own bias. I can do the job, and do it right.
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    Valorono

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    Re: Debate Topic Aluvean Seas Election #2

    Post  Valorono on Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:18 am

    Selinopolis wrote:But if you simply do that, the rest of us have no idea, and it raises some concerns. Subjectively, whenever I vote, I never see as WA Delegate vote cast. Now this may just be because I vote early before a lot of people do, but I know seeing there isn't a Delegate vote, I feel ignored.

    Now experience I lack, but I can listen to the people. Listening does not require a fancy degree, but rather the heart to follow the whim of the people, possibly against your own bias. I can do the job, and do it right.

    That may be true that you vote early. But the question is do you have the skills to deal with any type of hostility that arises. Can you give the people what they want besides just Polls for the WA, Can you provide them with Regional RPs?
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    Re: Debate Topic Aluvean Seas Election #2

    Post  Phoenixia on Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:25 am

    *AHEM* regarding the security of the chat room, I named you a OP because of your WA-Delegate Status and I'm aware that you helped us a much with providing the IP Adresses but nonethless the securing of the room was mostly my work. I researched all the defense measures, I set up the new room after the first one was occupied by the raiders and it was me who still hold the most bans I believe.
    However it was my job as the founder of the Chat Room and not because I was the Lord Duke. So I believe I never requested your help but you helped me voluntary and for that you earn the credit but you should also focus on your main task.
    And the one you mean was that not Mordor ? I was on the chat that night I believe but I'm not sure.
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    Re: Debate Topic Aluvean Seas Election #2

    Post  Valorono on Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:29 am

    Phoenixia wrote:*AHEM* regarding the security of the chat room, I named you a OP because of your WA-Delegate Status and I'm aware that you helped us a much with providing the IP Adresses but nonethless the securing of the room was mostly my work. I researched all the defense measures, I set up the new room after the first one was occupied by the raiders and it was me who still hold the most bans I believe.
    However it was my job as the founder of the Chat Room and not because I was the Lord Duke. So I believe I never requested your help but you helped me voluntary and for that you earn the credit but you should also focus on your main task.
    And the one you mean was that not Mordor ? I was on the chat that night I believe but I'm not sure.

    Yes it was Morder I am sorry for the typo.

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    Re: Debate Topic Aluvean Seas Election #2

    Post  Constannia on Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:48 am

    Valorono wrote:
    Selinopolis wrote:But if you simply do that, the rest of us have no idea, and it raises some concerns. Subjectively, whenever I vote, I never see as WA Delegate vote cast. Now this may just be because I vote early before a lot of people do, but I know seeing there isn't a Delegate vote, I feel ignored.

    Now experience I lack, but I can listen to the people. Listening does not require a fancy degree, but rather the heart to follow the whim of the people, possibly against your own bias. I can do the job, and do it right.

    That may be true that you vote early. But the question is do you have the skills to deal with any type of hostility that arises. Can you give the people what they want besides just Polls for the WA, Can you provide them with Regional RPs?
    I would think that Regional RP's would be a matter more entrusted to the Lord Duke and the Royal Council than the WA Delegate, who should be free to focus more on WA matters. Making the polls on WA resolutions, helping critique drafts, and trying to make our region more influential in WA circles should be the main priorities of the World Assembly Delegate.
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    Re: Debate Topic Aluvean Seas Election #2

    Post  Phoenixia on Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:07 am

    Valorono wrote:

    That may be true that you vote early. But the question is do you have the skills to deal with any type of hostility that arises. Can you give the people what they want besides just Polls for the WA, Can you provide them with Regional RPs?

    Sorry to interrupt here but I need to agree with const here in a sense. Since when are Regional RPs the job of the WA-Delegate ? Even the Lord Duke has not such a role in the constitution. We are mostly a RP-Region yes but there is no mention of that the WA-Delegate need to be a RPer him/herself.
    From the Constitution:

    1. WA Delegate - The WA Delegate acts as Aluvean Seas’s representative in the Worlds Assembly and votes in the World Assembly in accordance to the best interests of the region. The WA Delegate’s powers are list as they following: Is in charge of forming embassies and alliances with other regions officially (meaning he/she is the one to confirm them, to make them happen), after the embassy and alliance have been voted for.
    Source [Only admins are allowed to see this link] last paragraph of article 2

    Also if you would insist in this I believe Bro provided more RPs then you and he has no position in the Government at all. RPing was and will never be a requirement for running to a governmental function, otherwise we could close this Government to me, Demi, Const, Bro, Elven and Val. Maybe also Mero. Hell we would even need to kick out our founder and would probaly forced to refound ourself, that is not going to happen.
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    Re: Debate Topic Aluvean Seas Election #2

    Post  Brotherhood Steel on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:19 am

    Yes, when the Constitution was written by me and voted for approval, we never intended to have RPing be a requirement to run for any office. Nevertheless, since we are a RPing region, whoever the next WA Delegate and Lord Duke are should take an active role in helping promote our region as an RPing region. Myself being an active RPer and also with experience in governmental politics in various regions, come the end of the day we all need to come together for the betterment of the region. Plus, we are all friends here so we will support whoever is elected and still be friends at the end of it.

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